Dog AllergiesPosted by poodle_chronic_ears_5yo

standard poodle 5 years old with 18 months of recurring ear infections, full allergy panel just came back showing 23 environmental allergens including 9 grasses, and three vets are giving us three different answers on cytopoint vs apoquel vs immunotherapy

Beatrix is a 5 year old standard poodle, came home at 12 weeks, was a healthy dog with no allergy signs at all until about 18 months ago when her right ear started acting up. We did the usual thing, vet visit, otic cleaner, week of mometamax, cleared up, two months later it came back, this time both ears, two more weeks of treatment, cleared up, three months later back again. The pattern has now repeated five times in 18 months and the last two flares were significantly harder to clear, the most recent one needed two consecutive courses of antibiotics plus a culture that came back showing pseudomonas. We finally got referred to a dermatology vet and ran the full allergy panel three weeks ago, and the results just came back and they are kind of overwhelming.

What the panel shows. 23 environmental allergens above threshold, including 9 different grasses (orchard, kentucky bluegrass, fescue, bermuda, rye, timothy, johnson, bahia, redtop), 6 trees (oak, maple, elm, walnut, hickory, sycamore), 4 weeds (ragweed, pigweed, plantain, sorrel), 3 molds (alternaria, cladosporium, aspergillus), and dust mites at a high level. No food allergens flagged. So she is essentially allergic to most of north america starting in april and ending in october. The derm vet was honest that she has not seen a panel quite this broad in a 5 year old and that the immunotherapy formulation will be more complex than typical.

Where the three vets disagree. Our regular vet who has known Beatrix since she was 12 weeks recommends starting apoquel daily, says it is the fastest acting and most predictable for chronic atopy and we can taper as we figure out what else works. The dermatologist who ran the panel recommends starting subcutaneous immunotherapy (the SLIT oral drops as a secondary option) because she thinks at 5 years old we have a 20 year horizon and immunotherapy is the only treatment that addresses the underlying immune dysregulation rather than just suppressing the symptoms, and she suggests using cytopoint as a bridge during the 9 to 12 months it takes immunotherapy to start working. A friend who is a vet (not derm trained but well read on this stuff) thinks cytopoint long term is the best option because apoquel has accumulating concerns about lymphoma risk in long term use and immunotherapy has a 60 to 70 percent success rate which means a 30 percent chance we spend a year of buildup for nothing.

The honest questions i am sitting with. one, the immunotherapy 60 to 70 percent success rate, is that "she will be in remission" or "her symptoms will improve enough that we still need other drugs but less of them," because those are very different outcomes for the same headline number. two, the apoquel lymphoma concern, how real is that for a dog who would be on it potentially for 10 to 15 years, and does the data look different for poodles specifically given the breed predisposition. three, the cytopoint as bridge approach, are people actually doing this successfully or is it a theoretical strategy that does not play out as cleanly in practice. four, the ear infection piece specifically, will treating the underlying atopy actually resolve the recurring ear infections or do we have a separate ear problem that needs its own management. five, the financial reality, the immunotherapy is roughly $1500 to $2000 for the first year then $400 to $600 per year ongoing, the apoquel is about $130 per month, the cytopoint is about $100 to $140 per injection every 4 to 8 weeks, we can afford any of them but the lifetime cost picture is meaningfully different. would really value hearing from people who have made this decision and lived with the consequences for a few years

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standard poodle 5 years old with 18 months of recurring ear infections, full allergy panel just came back showing 23 environmental allergens including 9 grasses, and three vets are giving us three different answers on cytopoint vs apoquel vs immunotherapy | WoofGate